Ὁ καιρὸς ὁ ἐμὸς οὔπω πάρεστιν, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὁ ὑμέτερος πάντοτέ ἐστιν ἕτοιμος.
“My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready” - John 7:6:
Link
Hans Vogel’s essay: https://arktos.com/2023/04/07/reflections-on-chronology-criticism/
Chronology Criticism and Time Perception
The meeting focused on discussing Hans’ article about chronology criticism, which examines flaws in the Western timeline. Alexander expanded on the concept by distinguishing between chronos (profane, linear, quantitative time) and kairos (sacred, cyclical, qualitative time), suggesting that ancient societies experienced time differently than modern Western societies. Charles supported this perspective, referencing Eliade’s childhood experience, which illustrated how personal experiences can affect one’s perception of time. Hans clarified that his article focused on official documents and historical chronology rather than time perspective generally, emphasizing the need for established timelines in organizations and states. Michael noted that the proposed falsifications in the timeline primarily affected distant past events and suggested exploring potential motives behind any such fabrications.
Chronology and Dating Challenges
The group discussed criticisms of Scaliger’s chronology and historical dating methods. Sietze mentioned Fomenko’s mathematical research, showing coincidental patterns in ruler reigns across different historical periods, which he argued made the current chronology problematic. Charles asked about the historical practice of lengthening reigns, to which Hans responded that this was likely driven by dynastic ambitions, citing Ilyich’s work on Charlemagne and millenarian thinking. Hans referred to evidence of dating inconsistencies in archaeological findings across different locations, suggesting the need to reconsider historical dating between 230 AD and 930 AD.
Chronology Discrepancies
The group discussed historical chronology discrepancies, particularly focusing on claims by Fomenko and others that approximately 1.000 years of history may be inaccurately recorded. They explored the idea that the Roman period might have been extended by about 1.200 years through phantom time, potentially linking this to a 14th-century meteorite event. Sietze explained that medieval documents might be later copies or falsifications, and that the Renaissance could have directly followed the Roman period without a significant medieval period, as suggested by chronologist Kammeyer. The discussion also touched on the practical impossibility of losing and rediscovering ancient technologies like concrete, and the evolution of Latin languages.
Historical Record Accuracy Comparison
The discussion focused on comparing historical record accuracy between European and Near Eastern history, with Alexander highlighting that some Near Eastern records, particularly Mesopotamian clay tablets, are grounded in astronomical data, which then allow extrapolation to neighbouring chronologies through cross-referencing methods. Alexander suggested using these absolute reference points to validate European historical measurements, noting that ancient people often created time measurements according to a combination of cyclical patters and unique events of an entirely different nature than those guiding Modern Western chronologies. Charles contributed a philosophical perspective on how traditional practices can lead to unconscious errors in recording, while Alexander emphasized that despite potential discrepancies, ancient records often contained cross-referenced data that should not be easily dismissed.
Ancient Chronology and Dating Methods
Alexander explained that ancient records, including clay tablets and inscriptions, provide dating references to specific events like the regnal years of specific kings, as well as to astronomical observations that can be linked up to create reliable timeframes. He noted that it may be interesting to try and link these with modern European chronology. Sietze mentioned the popular claim about a star alignment in the Great Pyramid of Giza, suggesting it might indicate a much older building date than currently accepted.
‘Out of Place Objects’
Sietze discussed the evidence of a human presence on Earth in what modern science supposes to be pre-human times, including findings of anatomically modern human remains at great depths during oil drilling. He also mentioned that geological processes may not be fully understood, as evidenced by the rapid petrification of modern military equipment. Charles reflected on the subjective experience of time and how it might affect historical record-keeping. Alexander added insights about the Anno Mundi calendar system and its alignment with other historical events around 3700-3100 BCE, suggesting a possible connection to a significant historical transition in “world epochs”.
Observation of Haley’s Comet, recorded in cuneiform on a clay tablet between 22-28 September 164 BCE, Babylon. British Museum, BM 41462 - photo generously put in the Public Domain by the photographer, Gavin Collins, 2010.
